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PRESIDENT’S REPORT
- FROM THE AMS
The National Executive have approved the appointment of Mr. Sid Czabotar
to the Board of Trustees of the Submarine Association Australia Welfare
Fund, following the resignation of Mr. Tim Everard.
The National Executive wishes to thank Tim for his long association with
the Board of Trustees. The Board comprises of Tim Duchesne, Dave Bryant
and Sid Czabotar.
Dave (Sandy)
SANDQUEST
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SUBMARINES ASSOCIATION AUSTRALIA
2008 ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
The
National AGM will be hosted by the ACT Branch in Canberra on
Sunday, 8th June as part of SUBCON 2008.
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RENEWAL OF ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS
The Association’s 2008/09 financial year
commenced on 1 April 2008, on which date subscription for 114 members
became due for renewal. An early payment and selection of either five
years for $40 or 25 years for $175 options would be appreciated by the
National Treasurer.
The Association now accepts Direct Debit, details are: Bank: ADCU. Account number is 705414, BSB 802 397. Please ensure your name is
included and use SAA2008 as the reference, thank you.
The absence of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09
have already been received.
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NATIONAL
PENSIONS & WELFARE COORDINATOR BULLETIN
MAX HARDY 02 92648188
- Please check your records and note my correct email options
mhardy@rslnsw.com.au or
maxhardy@bigpond.com and change of address as from 01 March 2008 -
25 Christie St, South Penrith NSW 2750.
For general information
and in particular for those Pension Officers amongst us - “What is
VITA?”
The Veterans’ Indemnity and Training Association (VITA) was established
for the purpose of providing professional indemnity insurance for
suitably qualified trained and authorised members of ex service
organisations (ESO’s), who give advice in good faith to the Ex-service
community on matters relating to DVA pension and compensation
entitlements and welfare support. VITA promotes the DVA sponsored
Training and Information Program (TIP) as the program needed for pension
and welfare practitioners to be covered for professional indemnity
insurance. VITA also provides an accident insurance policy to cover
those people who conduct training under the auspices of TIP, providing
their parent member is a member of VITA, which thanks to Kevin the
Association is. This indemnity insurance requires an authority in
writing to provide advice and assistance as a Pension Officer for
members of the association.
“What is worker’s Compensation” for ex submariners? I am often asked
that same question. Since 1930 Workers Compensation has always been
available for Commonwealth Employees which included the Australian
Defence Force, the 1930 Act did not recognise any mental incapacity nor
did it accept any back conditions, further more the injury had to be
100% related to the nature of employment. This was the only compensation
Act available to Defence Force Personnel up to 1971. The 1971 Act
recognised mental disorders, back conditions and a 1% material
contribution related to work. The 1971 Workers Compensation Acts were
superseded in 1988 by the Safety Rehabilitation and compensation Act (SRCA)
which requires a 10% whole person impairment for compensation. When you
are not eligible to claim compensation under the Veterans’ entitlement
Act, you are eligible to claim compensation under the SRCA.
The military Rehabilitation
and Compensation Act MRCA (Military Specific) was enacted from 01 July
2004 it replaced the VEA and SRCA for all Military Personnel. In
conclusion if you’re not sure, ask your pension officer or pick up the
phone. See you all at SUBCON 2008 Max Hardy
For assistance with
‘Health & Welfare’ matters contact an authorised Pension/
Welfare Officer

HEALTH MATTERS by Peter Smith The response to my
section on Health Matters has been very good, judging by the
correspondence and conversations with members. However, I have not
stepped down off my soap-box when it comes to prostate cancer, as
too many of our members have been affected in one way or another by
this insidious cancer. For this issue I have been given a pamphlet
which will assist in the future of those members who are inflicted
by this cancer and survive with it in remission. I suggest that any
member, especially in Queensland who can assist Professor Steginga
after reading the following, please do so as you are helping
yourself and others who will succumb to this type of cancer in the
future.
Information is from “The Healthy Male” the newsletter of Andrology
Australia - Australia Centre in Male Reproductive Health. (Ed.)
The title of this Research Round-up is “Sexual dysfunction after
prostate cancer – a couples’ approach”.
In the western world, prostate cancer is the most common male
cancer. In 2006, over 18,500 Australian men were diagnosed with
prostate cancer and now large numbers of men are living with the
consequences of treatment.
Sexual dysfunction after all treatments for prostate cancer is
common. Even with nerve sparing surgical techniques, less than 20
per cent of men report being able to achieve erections firm enough
for sex two years after surgery. For men treated with radical
prostatectomy, erectile dysfunction is immediate with some
improvements over a couple of years. Men treated with radiation
therapy experience less erectile problems straight after treatment,
but affected men find their problems get worse over time.
Coping with sexual dysfunction after prostate cancer treatment is
not an individual problem, but a shared problem within couples. Many
men report penile shortening, loss of sexual desire and less
satisfying orgasms after prostate cancer treatment, all of which can
negatively impact on relationships. Existing medical and support
services for men experiencing the side-effects of surgery can also
contribute to problems within the couple’s relationship as the needs
of female partners are often ignored.
With support from Andrology Australia, The Cancer Council Queensland
is developing a new support program called ‘Proscan for Couples’
that will target the specific challenges couples experience at
diagnosis of localised prostate cancer and after radical
prostatectomy. Support has been provided for the development of an
audiovisual resource (DVD) that will be delivered with peer or nurse
counselling. The project will pilot this educational intervention
with men newly diagnosed with prostate cancer and will be tested
more rigorously in randomised control trail in 2008 with funding
received from the National Health and Medical Research Council.
A sexual dysfunction is a shared problem, it is anticipated that
findings will emphasise the importance of attending to the affected
couples relationship and both partners’ adjustment to prostate
cancer. Following the trial the information will also become
available for use in education programs and by health professionals.
For more information about the study, please contact A/Prof. Suzanne
Steginga, The Cancer Council Queensland, email:
SuzanneSteginga@cancerqld.org.au

Correspondence
Peter,
Tim Everard of Cammeray, NSW tackles a ticklish issue and is to be
congratulated for doing so. Four years ago at age 76 they opened me
up and I parted company with my prostate. That sparked an interest
to become just a little more learned about these things, so I became
a volunteer speaker for the cancer council and active on local
prostate cancer support groups. I attend a lot of lectures on the
subject and enjoy enlightened discussions with the small number of
Melbourne urologists that we meet. My own urologist is a cracker! I
write now only because so far I have yet to meet one such medical
consultant, as Tim has, that denies the very direct correlation
between sexual activity and prostate cancer. I am given to believe
that the correlation is most certainly there. All those that I meet
stress the overriding importance of regular sexual engagement,
shared or otherwise, to maintain the male genitals in good trim and
good working order whatever the circumstances may be. The importance
of such stimulation of blood flow, nerves and glands increases, not
decreases, as we accept the challenges of creeping advancing age,
changed social status, and less opportunity for sexual encounters as
we knew them to be in times past. All these medicos impress on us,
submariners included, that to deny such stimulation is to invite
atrophy of those most important male organs and heighten the risk of
prostate cancer, and that is not a sensible option.
Angus Bartlett-Bragg,
Black Rock, VIC 3193
Dear Peter
This morning I showed a distinguished urological surgeon the letter
from Tim Everard about the possible link between prostate cancer and
the usage of sexual organs. He said that the jury is still out on
the issue, but prostate cancer is certainly more prevalent in the
western world and obesity is a proven link.
The message would seem to be “Watch your diet and take exercise
outside the bedroom.”
I’m pleased to report a clean sheet on the bone scan, a reduction in
PSA level and no need for the glove test.”
Who would have thought that “In Depth” would be devoting more space
to prostate than periscopes?
Dick Mason,
Mosman, NSW 2088
OBITUARIES
It is with regret that I announce the death of Life Member Peter
Horace Davies JP in Coffs Harbour in March 2008.
Peter joined the Royal Navy in the late 1940s and later volunteered
for submarines in the early part of 1950. Having undertaken training
at HMS Dolphin he joined his first submarine HMS Tiptoe in May 1951,
on completing his ‘part three’ he was drafted off the boat in
November and in December joined HMS/m Trespasser where he stayed
until August 1952.
In September 1952, Peter joined his first ‘A’ boat, HMS Astute; he
stayed with the boat until January 1953.
New shores beckoned for Peter, he found himself posted to the Fourth
Submarine Division based at HMAS Penguin in Sydney where he joined
HMS/m Telemachus in February 1953 until March when he left the boat
prior to her trip to Singapore for a refit later in the year.
Peter joined HMS/m Thorough in Singapore, where the boat had
completed her refit and returned in her back to Sydney in June 1954
where he transferred back to Telemachus, he stayed with the boat
until November 1955 and rejoined Thorough.
Peter left Thorough in July 1956, he left the Royal Navy as an Able
Seaman Radar Plotter, he decided to stay in Sydney and settle down.
In 1974, Peter joined the Association and during that period had
served on several committees. At the AGM held in 1985 Peter was
elected as President replacing the out going President Alfie Backers
who had to retire due to failing eyesight. Peter held the position
of President until 1992 when he stood down and made way for Captain
Barry Nobes RAN (Rtd) to be elected.
During Peter’s tenure as President he saw many changes to the
Association, the addition of State run Branches, under the guidance
of Mal Bridge, Queensland became the first, changes to the
Constitution and Rules to reflect those changes and the co-hosting
of the 21st Anniversary of the current Submarine Squadron at HMAS
Platypus in 1988.
At the 1993 AGM, Peter was made a Life Member for his services to
the Association.
In Queensland on Wednesday, 2 April 2008, Life Member Robert Charles
Wilson from the effects of oesophageal, stomach and liver
cancer.
Know to his shipmates by the nickname “Tug”, Tug joined the RAN in
1962. He volunteered for submarines in 1966 and travelled to Great
Britain to undergo submarine training at HMS Dolphin. He returned to
Australia as part of the first Spare Crew at the newly commissioned
HMAS Platypus.
Tug joined HMAS Oxley in 1967 after the boat had joined the
Squadron. Over the next four years Tug served in HMAS Otway, Ovens
and Onslow.
Having completed his nine year contract with the RAN, Tug chose to
leave the Navy in 1971 as an Acting Petty Officer UWSM and settle
down in Queensland.
Tug joined the Association in late April 1992 and served on many
Queensland Branch committees including the positions of Secretary
and Treasurer, although his health was already failing, Tug was
involved with the organisation of SUBCON 06 in Brisbane.
With his poor health, Tug was buoyed by the tenacity of the children
suffering cancer and organised the “Walk for Kids with Cancer from
Coolangatta to Canberra 2008”, to raise awareness and much needed
funds for cancer research in both the Children’s hospitals in
Brisbane and Sydney.
Tug was nominated Life Membership for services to the Association,
especially the Queensland Branch, to be ratified at the 2008 AGM,
however as his health had furthered deteriorated the National
Committee were approached to award the Life Membership early.
On 29 March 2008, Tug was made a Life Member, his badge presented to
him by the Queensland Branch Patron Captain George Hunt DSO* DSC* RN
(Rtd) at the Canossa Medical Complex.
At the South Australia Central Districts Care unit on 18 April 2008,
Robert Ross who passed away from cancer of the pancreas and
kidneys.
Robert better known to his peers as Bob joined his first submarine
HMAS Ovens in 1970 after completing his initial submarine training
at HMS Dolphin and returning to Australia. Bob spent two years in
Ovens before transferring to HMAS Otway in 1972 and spent the next
three years in her before leaving the boat in 1975.
In 1976, Bob returned to the UK to join as commissioning crew of
HMAS Orion and returned to Australia via the Suez Canal.
In 1979 Bob left Orion and the Navy as a LSMTPSM. He joined the SAA
in September 1989.

ACT & SR BRANCH
Secretary Geoff BURNS JP 02 48494330 0427 435 314
gcburns@clearmail.com.au
ANZAC Day
The ACT Branch met behind the Naval Memorial in Anzac Parade for “Up
Spirit” at about 0915 to get the joints working for the march. This
year we were joined by some serving submariners from Navy Office
which bought our numbers up to 26. After the march the majority
adjourned to the Canberra Services Club (our new home) to enjoy a
hearty meal and a well deserved wet or two. The day was very
successful and well attended.
SUBCON 2008
The time for SUBCON is fast drawing near, and time for final
payments has arrived, if members have not registered and paid their
money they can still do so for the next few days.
SUBCON
2008
To be held in Canberra on the Queen's Birthday long
weekend, commencing
Friday 6th June 2008
The Branch is looking forward to offering our hospitality.
Visit the
SUBCON 2008
website for details. |
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NEW SOUTH WALES
BRANCH
Secretary Ken WILLIAMS H 02-80042304 M 0400500604 email
kenbwilliams@hotmail.com
On ANZAC Day approximately 80 members paraded on the day, with some
new faces and serving submariners. This year we were joined by Bob
Marsland’s daughter Linda Fury who wanted to represent her father.

The day stated off with a big stuff-up as the marshalling area,
position and time in the parade had been changed to allow the
members who served in World War Two to be the first off. For those
members who could not find us we were placed in Castlereagh Street,
midway between King and Market Streets. Unfortunately it did rain on
our parade, however we were able to break ranks and dive under cover
until it passed before reforming and waiting for the order to step
off.
On completion of the march we ambled down the street to the Stanton
Hotel (some of our older members will remember it as the Bogna) for
our reunion. It is hoped that this will be our traditional meeting
place in future after the march.
The following
is a timetable for upcoming NSW Branch events, please update your
calendars.
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Meeting
1130 25 May 2008 City of Sydney RSL 565 George Street
SYDNEY
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SUBCON
2007 June long weekend Friday
6 June – Monday 9 June 2008 Canberra, ACT.
www.subcon2008.org
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NSW AGM
1130 13 July 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George Street,
SYDNEY
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Meeting
1130 14 September 2008 A general meeting with a proposal
to try and have it at the Platypus site with a BBQ and small
memorial service.
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Meeting
1130 2 November 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George
Street, SYDNEY
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Christmas party TO BE DECIDED
Sunday 1230
for 1300 30 November or Saturday 29 November 2008
1700 for 1730 at Where Ever

NORTH QUEENSLAND
BRANCH
Secretary Garth SCHMIDT 07 47 880 884 Mobile 0417 747 246 email
susanschmidt@optusnet.com.au
Submarines
Association Australia North Queensland Branch invites you to a night
of fun and frivolity on 21 June 2008 at the Stage Door Theatre
Restaurant, 5 Hayles Avenue Arcadia, Magnetic Island for the cabaret
performance of the “Frocky Horror Show” featuring songs from the
little shop of horrors and rocky horror.
Price per head $75-00. Mainland package $99-00 per head (inc return
ferry and island bus transfers. Both prices include a four course
alternate gourmet Dinner and show.
Meet and Greet 630 pm Friday, 20 June 2008
Annual General Meeting 10.00am 21 June 2008 Magnetic Island RSL, 31
Hayles Avenue, Arcadia.
All members are invited as well as anyone travelling north who wants
some company and a few laughs.
Anyone needing
arrangements made or accommodation booked contact me as per details
above.

QUEENSLAND BRANCH
Secretary Rob H. WOOLRYCH MBE H 07-54421991 email
robjanw@launch.net.au
As usual the important item first
NEXT MEETING: The next meeting is our AGM:
Where: Coorparoo RSL, 45 Holdsworth St Coorparoo. When: 1100 on
3rd August 2008 Venue Galaxy Room.
Nominations for positions on the Management Committee are to be in
to the Secretary SAA Qld Inc in writing by 19 July 2008.
Social Weekend: Our
meeting away from Brisbane this year is to be held in Stanthorpe in
the Granite Belt of Queensland and the centre of the wine industry
of Queensland which, though young, is extremely successful. The date
for the meeting is 11/12 October 2008.
The programme is roughly as follows
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11 Oct, 0930. Bus tour of the Wineries/Olive Farm/Berry Farm.
Cost $70 per head. Lunch Ballandean Pub (included)1730 Tour
ends. PM Dinner at RSL or as individually arranged
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12 Oct, AM Ladies to visit Craft Markets etc. 1000, SAA Qld Inc
Meeting followed by Light refreshments at the RSL.
PM Return home.
Come and join us for what promises to be a fun weekend of social
activities.
ANZAC DAY
As usual a good run and a most enjoyable post march experience at
the Coorparoo RSL with some new faces present. The happiest
moments of the day was to see the serving members sharing stories
with the “old fellas” and genuinely enjoying each others company. To
the serving personnel, we were honoured that you all saw fit to join
us on the day and we hope you enjoyed our company as much as we
enjoyed yours
IN CONCLUSION
REMEMBER the next meeting on the 3rd August 2008 is our AGM.

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN BRANCH
Secretary David BRYANT H 08-82630461 M 0412574790 email
djbryant@senet.com.au
A
good turn-out was the order of the day for the Submarine Contingent
in Adelaide. A total of 65 members marched down North Terrace on an
overcast but rain-free morning. The Contingent was led by our
Treasurer, Ken Grierson, and the White Ensign was carried by one of
our WW2 members, George Fairfax.
The Jolly Roger was carried by Airman Natasha Pataki, the daughter
of member Joe Pataki. We welcomed Terry "Coyote" Wyatt marching with
us after coming all the way from North Queensland.
The reunion afterwards at the Metropole Hotel was great success, and
out thanks to member Mick Allison for providing a couple of bottles
of Navy Rum for "up spirits".

TASMANIAN BRANCH
Secretary David BYRNE H. 03/6233588 Email:
dbyrne@keypoint.com.au
Well, another ANZAC Day has
come and gone. The 93rd Anniversary was marked in Tasmania with the
traditional Dawn Services and late morning Commemorative Services in
various centres around the state.
In keeping with the tradition of the past half a dozen years the
Tasmanian Branch assembled in Hobart for the annual parade followed
by the Commemorative Service at the Cenotaph on the Queen’s Domain.
It was great to see Bronco McGinn home from sea and bringing TJ
Carter along with him for the parade. Peter Reid put in his first
appearance as a new state member and proudly held the banner aloft
with Kerry Bolton for the long walk/march/amble to the Cenotaph.
Grant Beswick managed to step in something left behind by one of the
Light Horses whilst Ian Dunbabin deftly avoided the same. At various
times the 12 members in the squad managed to be in step but this was
largely a result of coincidence and the law of averages rather than
any serious attempt at proper marching drill. A brass band up
forward and a pipe band down aft didn’t help matters either.
Nonetheless, we had a successful day and even managed a very brief
appearance on the live ABC TV broadcast. As we gave an ‘eyes right’
to the new Governor at Town Hall, newest member, CMDR Tony Vine
looked as proud as punch as he saluted our little squad from the
back of the dais.
Also in keeping with our ANZAC Day tradition we reassembled at the
Navy Club for a few quiet beers after the service. The Navy Club is
an institution in Hobart that manages to attract Army and Air Force
types in addition to firies, coppers and cadets of various forces.
The Two Up and Crown & Anchor games held sway and beer coupons were
heavily won and lost by the punters. The memorabilia that adorns the
walls of that club has to be seen to be believed and now boasts a
dedicated corner for submarines and submariners.
Our members will gather once again for a weekend away at the
Grindelwald Resort in the Tamar Valley over the weekend of 17-18
May. Well over half the membership plus partners have booked their
accommodation for what should be a great weekend. Following a few
hours in the afternoon on the northern wine route there will be a
dinner on the Saturday night and, weather permitting, we will spend
a few hours on the Sunday morning cruising the Tamar River estuary
in Richard Phillips’ yacht.

VICTORIAN BRANCH
Secretary Keith ‘Boot’ HATFIELD M 0408 051 085 email
hatfield.1@optusnet.com.au
At the time of going to press I had not
received a report from Branch; however I was able to glean the
following information (Ed).
The next meeting will be a social one on 18 May 2008 at Frankston
Naval Club, noon onwards. Mike Rikard-Bell and the team are
returning to Turkey in the near future and he, hopefully, will be
addressing our function to give us the very latest update
On 15 June 2008 a social meeting at the ESU, corner Walsh Street and
Toorak road at 1200

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
BRANCH
Secretary Paul MEAKIN H 08 95869375 M 0412314361
Email:
pmea8855@%20bigpond.net.au
ANZAC Day dawned bright and clear in Perth with more than 30, 000
people at the Dawn Service at the State War Memorial in King’s Park.
Neil Forbes, along with other members of the WA Branch, was present
at the Service and laid a wreath on our behalf. As part of the
Returned Services Naval Contingent we formed up in Barrack Street
for the Parade. About 20 members were in attendance with apologies
from five members who were interstate/overseas and from two members
reporting sick for the parade. Along with the regular attendees it
was pleasing to see some newer faces including four uniformed
Qualified Submariners who have promised to join the Association. We
were also graced with the presence of Rip Mahoney, (Ovens plank
owner) over on a visit from Queensland. Our banner was proudly
carried by Leading Seaman Waklin and Able Seaman Gissing from the
submarine School. AB Gissing is the son of Ray Gissing so it is
pleasing to see the tradition being handled down from father to son.
ANZAC House was identified as a watering hole post parade as in
recent years organised venues have not been supported. Very few of
the attendees made it there. Although the numbers attending may seem
small it should be noted that many members have attended their own
local parades supporting the Naval Associations RSLs or other Ship’s
Associations. Our challenge is to bring them back together to march
with the SAA (WA Branch).
Apart from our Secretary receiving seven apologies, the committee
had no indication of members’ intentions or wishes. In order to
continue as a variable association members do need to communicate
and contribute – not leave it to just a few. Having said that it may
be time again to review where the WA Branch attends the ANZAC Day
Parade, as although State Television coverage is available in Perth
(except this year) most members are located in the Rockingham area
and it may be more appropriate to march in the parade there. Food
for thought for our members!
The following is our events calendar. Further details will be passed
on as they become available or clearer.
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Sunday 25 May Albany, USN SubVets
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6 – 9 June SUBCON, Canberra SAA AGM
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Sunday, 20 July Sub School & SS Mess, GM and BBQ
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Sunday, 14 Sep TBA, General meeting
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Sunday, 19 Oct TBA, Navy Week
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Sunday, 26 Oct Periscope Park,RN SubVets
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Sunday, 9 Nov HMAS Ovens, Remembrance Day
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Sat, 29 Nov Pt Peron Navy
Club, Christmas Party
I thought retirement would give me the time to do the
websites proud, but so far I have not been able to make any
progress on them. Maybe I should get a job, I found that I
had to make the time when I was working.
Since May last year we have had 95,562 visits Up Periscope
and it peaked last month at 10,589 visits. This means that
we are meeting our objective, getting out there and
communicating with the submarine community.
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Summary by
Month |
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Month |
Daily Avg |
Monthly Totals |
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Hits |
Files |
Pages |
Visits |
Sites |
KBytes |
Visits |
Pages |
Files |
Hits |
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Apr 2008 |
17159 |
13287 |
1136 |
359 |
7925 |
5.16 GB |
9704 |
30685 |
358764 |
463317 |
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Mar 2008 |
15948 |
12329 |
1215 |
341 |
8303 |
5.20 GB |
10589 |
37671 |
382218 |
494402 |
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Feb 2008 |
14744 |
11320 |
931 |
274 |
6353 |
4.44 GB |
7965 |
27024 |
328297 |
427596 |
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Jan 2008 |
16353 |
11909 |
1311 |
271 |
5594 |
4.61 GB |
8408 |
40664 |
369193 |
506947 |
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Dec 2007 |
12969 |
9372 |
830 |
213 |
5091 |
3.47 GB |
6609 |
25752 |
290534 |
402064 |
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Nov 2007 |
16666 |
12719 |
1082 |
312 |
7515 |
5.29 GB |
9387 |
32486 |
381581 |
499998 |
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Oct 2007 |
14092 |
10509 |
872 |
267 |
5769 |
4.81 GB |
8299 |
27048 |
325797 |
436874 |
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Sep 2007 |
13110 |
9907 |
869 |
226 |
4586 |
3.39 GB |
6807 |
26073 |
297237 |
393313 |
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Aug 2007 |
9910 |
7348 |
824 |
205 |
3863 |
2.53 GB |
6371 |
25548 |
227791 |
307225 |
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Jul 2007 |
15933 |
11734 |
1505 |
344 |
4991 |
4.04 GB |
10674 |
46674 |
363764 |
493950 |
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Jun 2007 |
16981 |
12908 |
1865 |
220 |
3813 |
3.92 GB |
6611 |
55957 |
387258 |
509440 |
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May 2007 |
16301 |
11408 |
1375 |
147 |
1975 |
3.17 GB |
4138 |
38517 |
319445 |
456452 |
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Totals |
50.03 GB |
95562 |
414099 |
4031879 |
5391578 |
I average 63 emails on many
matters each day, and we field many different requests each week,
mainly searching for old mates or information. We have a pretty good
success rate and have been responsible for re-uniting lost mates,
not just in the submarine community, but skimmers too.
Again I would like to thank the sponsors of Up Periscope, Thales
Underwater Systems and to the Thales team for their support, and to
all those that continue to visit the site.
Remember, constructive criticism, suggestions for improvement and
even complaints are always welcome. Remember, it is YOUR site and it
is only as good as you make it. Thanks again for your support.
Norm Williams, Web Manager -
Mobile 0419 863 558 norm.williams@submarinesaustralia.com
LIFE BENEATH THE WAVES compiled
by Roger Fry
Roger Fry recounts the memories of some of the men who served in
the Royal Navy’s ‘A’ Class submarines from the 1940s to the
1970s.
“I know of no greater engineering thrill than standing between
those Vickers engines on a full power trial, both blowers in and
screaming their heads off”. This is the sentiment of a retired
of a retired engineer officer who served in ‘A’ Class submarines
during the late forties/early fifties and it forms part of many
letters received from former submariners in response to my
request some years ago for information on the operational life
in this class during its long service in the Royal Navy.
Amphion ran her first of class trials off Scotland on VE Day and
consequently none of the class reached the Pacific War for which
they were designed, although subsequent deployment to the Far
East proved that the design was successful. The boat was 281ft 4
¾ in long, had a 22ft 3in beam and a draught of 17ft. She was
equipped with ten torpedo tubes and carried 10 re-loads for the
four forward and two aft internal tubes. A 4in QF gun was
mounted behind a trainable gun shield forward of the conning
tower with a 20mm Oerlikon (twin in some) sited after the ANF
radar mast. In addition, there were three bridge fittings for
gas-operated Vickers .303 machine guns. Two 8-cylinder Admiralty
or Vickers super charged diesel engines developing 4,300bhp
drove the boat at 18 ½ knots on the surface and a pair of
English Electric motors of 1,250shp could accelerate her to 8 ½
knots submerged. Endurance of 10,500 miles at 11 ½ knots made
her ideally suitable for long, Pacific patrols and not only was
construction speeded up by new welding techniques but the diving
depth of 500 feet was a considerable improvement on anything
before her, Considerable thought also went into habitability –
all crew quarters were situated forward as far from the engines
as possible and each member of the sixty-one crew had a bunk
with the captain having his own, albeit minute, cabin above the
control room, in the conning tower. Full air conditioning was
fitted and even silences for the battery fans.
Of the forty-six vessels planned, twenty-eight were cancelled
whilst building, two complete hulls were used for destruction
tests or underwater targets, Affray was lost in the Channel, but
the remaining fifteen spanned the period 1945 to 1975, taking
over the roles of the diminishing ‘T’ Class and supplementing
the later ‘Porpoise’ and ‘Oberon’ Classes.
From this point on most of the words are those of my
correspondents, to whom I am indebted and I hope that their
reminiscences will not only inform the reader but will enable
him to experience a little of the life in the ‘A’ boats. I have
deliberately not included the already well documented ‘cruises’
of Ambush, Alliance and Andrew, preferring to concentrate on the
submariner’s view of this craft.
HMS Amphion – R.W. (Chief Stoker) and R.E. (Leading Radio
Mechanic)
“Amphion was first of class and was immediately known as
‘Dewhurst’s Folly’; Diggy Dewhurst was Commander S/M at the time
and had to have a metal plate in his skull, having come a purler
off the bridge. She later became dubbed ‘Damnfione’ as
originally she did not have the distinctive bow – this buoyancy
tank was fitted after sea trials, with further modification to
other tanks, after a passage from Rothesay to ’Derry when the
port lookout’s left elbow was almost continually in the water.
She was an unhandy boat, slow to dive and would roll on a wet
dishcloth, but one big attraction was that in place of air-aided
heads, there was a slop drain tank which meant that you could
not ‘get your own back’. Unfortunately, the tank vented inboard,
close to the boat’s ventilation intake and was always blown just
before the evening meal so everyone got their share throughout
the boat, although it could be useful for ridding the vessel of
unwelcome guests! Amphion, Astute, Auriga, Affray and Aeneas
went to Hong Kong and formed the 1st Submarine Squadron with HMS
Adamant from August 1946 to March 1948 and whilst refitting in
Honkers dockyard Auriga’s snort mast was fitted.”
HMS Alliance – W.H. (EngineerOofficer)
“After a courtesy visit to Denmark in 1948 with Ambush and
Aurochs, Alliance was detailed as ‘eyes’ of the defending Blue
Fleet in FOSM’s Summer War. Red Fleet, including a ’carrier, was
to approach the Channel from way out in the Atlantic and we were
supposed to sight, track from astern and send regular
course/speed reports. Mother Nature, ably assisted by Father
Neptune, had a different idea. A gale blew up on the second day
out and as any ‘A’ boat man will know, we rolled our guts out.
We remained on the surface, partly on the remote chance of a
sighting but mainly because of the hazards of resurfacing in the
very large waves when stability is at a minimum. The oggin came
down the tower with monotonous regularity and the control room
and wardroom decks were awash in six inches of dirty water – it
was amazing what came out from under the bunks. After three days
of purgatory, we had a dozen heavy weather causalities caused by
falls against machinery or sharp objects with radar operator,
who suffered from sea-sickness at the best of times, absolutely
prostrate in his bunk. The young sub on watch on the bridge was
forced aft by a larger than usual wave and his fore finger
became jammed in the wind deflector bracket and when we finally
got him clear his finger was crushed to the bone with the
tendons hanging. That decided things and we broke radio silence
to request, and were granted, permission to put into the Azores
for medical help.
On our way back up the Channel, on a fine, peaceful night,
chugging along on one engine with a standing charge on the other
side, I was on the bridge chatting with the officer of the
watch, everyone else below. We spotted a ship’s lights on the
starboard quarter, a big ship, coming up fast and apparently
heading straight for us. “Chief, get out the Aldis and shine it
on the periscope standards, not in his eyes. Maybe he hasn’t
seen us yet”. This I did but the ship held on and it was clear
that if we didn’t do something pretty quick, she would run us
down. “Telegraphs, Chief: Full Speed Ahead!” and after a
momentary pause, the running engine surged ahead, the charge
broken on the other side and in seconds both engines were
working up to full power. The boat leaped ahead and the
approaching ship crossed our track only half a cable astern – a
very near miss. Fortunately the CERA was in the engine room
doing his night rounds when the telegraphs rang and he took the
instant action necessary. When we got back, the incident was
reported to the Admiralty and we later learned that it was an
Italian cruise liner which had just altered course towards
Southampton – obviously her lookouts were not doing their duty
and her employers got a sharp rocket.”
HMS Aurochs – R.E. (Leading Radio Mechanic)
“Aurochs, named after an extinct European bison, was known as
the ‘Woolley Bull’. Her crest was naturally the head of this
animal and the Latin motto was ‘Taurus Excreta Sapientum
Fulcreat’ (the dung of the bull causes wisdom to flee),
translated by the crew as ‘bullshit baffles brains’ – someone in
the Admiralty had a puckish sense of humour! Like many boats,
she had her own song and many publicans throughout the world
have been rather boozily serenaded with ‘I’ll join the Legion,
that’s what I’ll do’. She was fitted with a snort and in choppy
weather, bad trim or poor afterplanesman the ball float valve at
the top of the mast would dip below the water’s surface and
constantly open and shut, causing the partial vacuum, always
present when snorting, to increase/ decrease with everyone’s
eardrums going in and out like chapel hut pegs – you got kicked
to death by your mess mates when you came off watch. The chef
had a hard time too; knocking up dough in a large wooden trough
for fresh baked bread rolls, all rising well under the increased
pressure when captain orders ‘Stop snorting’; the engines stop
and the boat’s pressure immediately returns ambient – blue air
in the galley and rock cakes, again, for breakfast! The wardroom
steward was notorious; having left his previous boat under a bit
of a cloud and before departing had nailed a ‘Spithead Pheasant’
(kipper) under the wardroom table. He received a telegram
reading. ‘We know what it is, but where did you put it?’ Whilst
going ashore one day, he was cobbered by the cox’n. ‘What’s in
the bottle, steward?’ ‘Cough mixture, swain, like it says on the
label’. Needless to say, despite the label, it was rum –
everyone in boats got neaters. ‘You can’t always believe a
label, steward – I’ll take it and think yourself lucky you have
not got a fifty pound blow under your bonnet’.
A few weeks later, at sea and serving afters, our mess man
opened a tin of peaches and proceeded to dish out tomatoes, into
the custard! The steward’s face appeared round the curtain,
grinning from ear to ear …. ‘You can’t always believe a label,
‘swain!’ He had methodically steamed off, swapped and reglued
the labels down in the store”.
HMS Anchorite – R.W. (Chief Stoker)
“The snort mast in Anchorite lay horizontally on the port side
and was always full of sea water when dived and not in use – if
it was empty it would have collapsed under pressure. The mast
was raised by rams operated in the control room and there were
drains fitted so that sea water could be drained from the
induction tube into the control room tank. The exhaust line ran
from the engine room, under the casing to the snort mast in
earlier versions but this was found to cause an exhaust trail
which could be easily spotted, especially from the air.
Modifications were made to attach the exhaust pipe to the ANF
radar mast standard which discharged a few feet under water,
thereby
eliminating the trail. The snort exhaust valve could not be
opened until the ERA on watch had admitted high pressure air to
the line, forcing out the sea water and keeping the line clear
until the donks started when the exhaust pressure in the pipe
would keep the water out. When snorting, the exhaust valve
required grinding every two minutes to prevent carbon forming
around the valve. This tedious task fell to a junior stoker,
closing the valve to two turns from shut as shown on the
indicator and then turning the grinding wheel handle fitted
within the valve handle wheel to rotate the valve in the
seating. When ordered ‘Stop snorting’ was given, the stoker shut
the valve to two turns open, high pressure air was again
admitted to keep the water back, the donks stopped and the
induction valve was shut – only then could the exhaust valve be
shut and the mast lowered.
HMAS Alliance – W.H. (Engineer Officer)
“Time passed and Alliance found herself at Londonderry where we
spent most of our time ‘Clockwork-mousing’ for the
anti-submarine frigates there. A deadly dull performance
usually, but not this time. Tooling along at slow speed, group
down, at about 90 feet, all was quiet, all was still, with a
Group Captain RAF who had come out for the day trip sleeping off
his lunch time pink gins, feet forward, head aft on one of the
wardroom bunks. Only the diving watch was awake and then it
happened…. We shot to the surface like a whale coming up from a
900 feet sound. A Shackleton flying overhead later told us that
our hull came out as far as the bridge before we flopped back
onto the surface. They were so concerned that they started
mustering all their Mae Wests thinking we should need them. The
most concerned of all however was the Group Captain. Rudely
awakened from his slumber, he found his feet way above his head,
covered from head to foot in ink and paper, with a large dish of
eggs balanced precariously on the edge of the cupboard above
him. On investigation, it was found that the after plane
operator just taking over the watch had slipped whilst getting
into his chair forcing the operating lever to ‘hard arise’ and
the ram aft had gone its full travel and jammed. Still, it was
all sorted out and we later had a good laugh over it – if it had
been ‘hard adive’, though….”
HMS Acheron - R.W. (Chief Stoker)
“The commanding officer of Acheron ordered the officer of the
watch to clear the bridge and dive the boat. Obeying the
command, the bridge was cleared, Klaxon pressed and the officer
jumped down into the conning tower only to find that the upper
hatch was still pinned back by the securing clips. The captain
seeing this from the control room and with the boat diving, had
no alternative but order the lower hatch shut, leaving the man
in the tower. As soon as practical, the captain ordered
‘Surface’, tower was drained, hatch opened and out fell a
half-drowned, bedraggled officer of the watch. The wrath of the
captain lasted that whole patrol, not only because of the near
catastrophe but as his cabin was within the tower, he lost all
his personal possessions. Needless to say the culprit lost his
bunk in the wardroom to the captain until the cabin had dried
out.
It was difficult to keep clean in a submarine and alongside one
day, the captain’s wife, entering the boat through the forward
torpedo hatch, was suddenly anxious to climb back up, her
husband resisted her effort from behind with his hands on her
shoulders saying ‘It’s all right dear keep going’, not knowing
that she had confronted a naked submariner taking a shower –
each foot in a bucket of warm water, pouring a third over
himself. Red faces all round!”
HMS Alaric – K.S. (Signalman)
“One submarine crew enquired of a daily paper how many pigs they
would keep in an area equivalent of the froward sailor’s mess
and the paper replied – four. There were, of course, twelve
seamen actually sleeping in it, probably nearer twenty actually
living in it. One advantage of the ‘A’s over the more modern
boats was that in the evenings movies could be shown in the tube
space leaving the mess decks clear for other activities: cards,
talk, board games letter writing etc. The ‘P’ and ‘O’ tube space
was just that, no room for anything but ‘fish’ and the
sophisticated loading equipment”.
HMS Astute – F.M. (Petty Officer TGM)
“Reloading the tubes was always done in still water beneath the
surface. The torpedo stowage bulkhead door was shut and just
four or five men would set about their business. The tackle
needed to haul the ‘fish’ into the tubes was stowed in the
centre of the deck and the water in the tubes could be drained
into a special tank once the outer doors were shut, allowing the
internal doors to be opened and reloading commenced. The torpedo
tubes were ‘dry fit’ i.e. they were only fractionally larger in
the circumference than the 21in torpedo allowing the outer doors
to be opened once the torpedoes were loaded and the internal
doors shut with little or no ingress of water into the tube and
therefore weight. There was always relief when the job had been
completed, not only because of the possible hazards but because
there was now more space. In fact, the sick bay could only come
into operation once the lower starboard aft ‘fish’ had been
loaded as only then was the folding bunk revealed.
HMS Affray – F.A. (rank unknown)
“On the 17th April 1951, Affray was lost with all hands in the
English Channel and was eventually traced in Hurd Deep with a
snapped-off snort. I was in Ambush at the time and all ‘A’ boats
were ‘grounded’ until escape alterations were made, principally
to the gun tower hatch. This and the difficulty to accepting
that a break in the snort above the induction valve could
account form the loss, leads me to believe that someone knew far
more about the incident than has been told. The fore-planes were
seen to be in the ‘hard-arise’ position which indicates attempts
to surface and no external damage was noted. Both Alliance and
Auriga have since suffered battery explosions and a similar
incident in Affray could have ruptured the pressure hull – even
a small rupture could account for sudden loss of the depth
control and even if the tide of water was stemmed, the danger of
chlorine poisoning would be almost impossible to eliminate.
HMS Artemis – (Author)
Artemis, on loan to the Canadian Government, was the cause of a
‘Subsmash’ alarm in 1963, after failing to respond to signals
ordering her to surface. Canadian ships and aircraft began a
huge search operation 700 miles east of New York but fortunately
she surfaced safely 1 ½ hours later.
HMS Artful – (Author)
In 1955, the first ‘A’ Class was taken in hand for conversion
and streamlining on the American Guppy Pattern. Artful appeared
with the deletion of all four external tubes, a lowered and
finer bow, wider but lighter aluminium casing and a 26 ½ feet
high fin enclosing conning tower and periscope/radar masts, the
boat being conned on the surface from atop. The gun hatch
remained in all boats and for short periods, but only in a few
boats, the 4in gun was refitted at deck level, usually for Far
East deployments. Internal modifications were relatively minor
as there was no increase in battery space nor underwater power
as there had been in the earlier, lengthened ‘T’s. Improvements
to habitability, the fitting of an automatic depth controller,
refined sonar and torpedo firing arrangements were some of the
modifications made. However, streamlining improved speed by one
or two knots and, importantly, reduced underwater noise. The
snort induction was still housed on the port side as it was not
until after refits that some of the boats had their fins
extended to include a central, telescopic snort mast. The only
boat not modernised was Aurochs – she was found at survey to be
in too poor a condition and had the distinction of being the
last British wartime-designed submarine to remain in service
more or less in her original guise, going to the breakers in
1967.
HMS Auriga – K. S. (Signalman)
“I served in three of the class during the middle ’sixties to
’seventies Ambush, Auriga and Alaric, as a signalman. We thought
they were magic boats; speedy, roomy and fun to be on. They
could knock along at a surface speed, in most cases, around 20
knots and the modern boats could not match on a fast run home,
being overtaken and us taking the best berths. Top whack in
Rorqual was only 13/14 knots. Another advantage was the control
room layout for the helmsman – in ‘P’ and ‘O’s the tower hatch
was in the forward part and in inclement weather he froze to
death from the rush of air created by the engines and in rough
weather, a good soaking. The ‘A’s had the tower hatch in the
middle and when dived and the captain not using his cabin, the
ladder was removed and when surfaced it was not in anyone’s way
as you could pass the other side without a problem. We were
intensely proud of our ‘A’s – serving in them, with our big 4in
gun, gave us something over the modern boats despite their
superior dived knots. At full speed, with both blowers in, the
noise was intolerable and all orders had to be conveyed by
gesture. In 1968 on Auriga, we sailed to come home from the Far
East going west about via the Pacific - Acheron sailed to come
East about via the Cape. On leaving Bermuda after a two week
self maintenance period we were all a little concerned as she
was badly in need of a refit and leaked a little. The captain
then announced that the ‘safe to dive’ date had expired – there
were some not so quiet cheers from the mess decks and we ended
up having to shore down the heads of the diesels with four by
fours against the pressure hull to get us home, as they were in
such a bad way. At the time of a major refit, everything would
be removed from the boat – battery cells, furniture etc and the
diesels would be stripped and taken up piece by piece through
the engine room hatch, the largest in the boat. Only the main
motors would remain as these would be replaced perhaps only once
or twice in the boat’s life and to be brought up through a hole
cur into the top of the hull, re-welded shut after replacement.
HMS Ambush – R. S. (Signalman)
“On Ambush, stationed at Singapore, the 4in gun was used by us
mainly as something to hang the screen for the evening film
shows alongside! We did practice gun actions although on our
boat, Auriga and Aeneas if not others, there were no proper
gunners, the gun’s crew comprising torpedo men, sonar operators
and, as usual, the officers steward whose action station was the
wardroom beneath the gun tower hatch and the boat, with a good
pressure inside to assist the first member our of the hatch,
would be held down by the fore and aft planes at the dive
position whilst blowing the tanks. Quickly the planes were
reversed, ‘taking the brakes off’, allowing the boat to burst to
the surface with the gun hatch open as early as possible, often
when not quite out of the water and out went the crew.
Ammunition came from the magazine below the wardroom and I think
there was a ready used locker just out side”. (Pre-conversion,
there were two ready used sealed cells by the upper gun hatch,
holding one round each – these were removed on modernisation –
Author) “No protection from the elements on top and no shield to
give even token shelter from weather or splinters. The initial
firing was set up from periscope depth then control handed over
to the bridge. We also had two mountings atop the fin for
Vickers machine guns and always had one rigged during ‘hands to
bathe’ in case of shark attack – although what shark would want
to eat diesel-tasting submariner, I don’t know”.
HMS Aeneas - E.F. (civilian correspondent)
“In 1972, Aeneas was taken in hand by Vickers Shipbuilding,
Barrow to be fitted with SLAM – Submarine Launched Air Missile
and successfully carried tests on the system based on the Army’s
Blowpipe anti-aircraft missile. This was fitted on a telescopic
pole which retracted into the now bulbous foretop of the fin and
in fact she was re-numbered SSG72. The trails were not completed
as it was belatedly remembered that a submarine’s best defence
was to dive and evade rather than risk a standing fight and a
punctured pressure hull.”
HMS Andrew - Author
Andrew had the distinction, in December 1974, of being the last
British submarine to fire a 4in gun and signalled to FOSM “The
reek of cordite has passed from the Royal Navy’s submarine
service. Last gun action at 03 1330 Zulu. Time to first round –
36 seconds. May the art of submarine gunnery rest in peace but
never forgotten”.
HMS Anchorite – S.T. (Navigation Officer)
“The streamlined ‘A’s had lovely splayed bows which pushed the
water outwards but in really rough weather they were miserable.
In Anchorite we used to snort on the surface by raising the mast
as high as possible, shut the conning tower hatches leaving the
officer of the watch and lookouts on top of the fin. These would
change by using the conning tower as an airlock, shutting the
upper hatch and draining the tower before opening up the lower
one. The captain’s cabin was not used during these periods and
he moved to the wardroom. However, they were first class sea
boats and we did not often have to resort to this. At no time
during my service in the ‘A’s was there any need for hammocks or
camp beds – when we had guests we hot-bunked”.
HMS Artemis – E.F. (civilian correspondent)
“Twenty years after the Affray loss, the only other ‘A’ class to
involuntarily sink was Artemis when on the 1st July 1971she sank
between the jetty and Ocelot at HMS Dolphin, Gosport. The
accident happened whilst the captain was off the boat, during
‘first filling’ of her diesel fuel tanks with salt water prior
to refuelling. ‘A’ boats had tanks which allowed sea water to
replace fuel consumed and thereby compensate for weight loss and
neither the skeleton crew nor the Trot sentry noticed her slowly
sinking by the stern until the aft casing was awash. Warnings
were given below and twelve men scrambled to safety but the
engine room hatch could not be shut due to heavy power cables
rigged from the shore passing through the hatchway and the boat
sank with three men trapped forward. Strenuous and successful
efforts were made to rescue them that night and Artemis was
later raised by salvage vessels. At the inquiry, the cause was
attributed to the neglect of basic ship stability principles and
she was sold to breakers in 1972 after lying in Fareham Creek”.
HMS Ambush – K.S. (Signalman)
“As we were the only class of submarine left with a gun hatch,
landing parties of SBS and/or SAS were often carried, sometimes
with their canoes stowed in the tube space and we used the same
system as in wartime - canoes brought up through the forward
torpedo hatch, rigged on the casing and we then dived and left
them to get on with their naughty business. We sometimes placed
a Marine Commando swimmer in the gun hatch, flooded it and when
the pressure equalised, he opened the upper hatch and swam out.
Once he had left, the upper hatch could be shut from the
wardroom the water drained down into internal tanks and another
swimmer entered the now empty tower through the lower hatch.
This could be repeated as often as necessary. On one occasion, a
swimmer got his finger in the way of the upper hatch as it was
flung back and it was immediately separated from his hand. The
Marine Sergeant’s comment on observing the wound on re-entry was
only “No problem – it’s not his trigger finger!”
One crazy method of recovery, we thought, was also exercised.
SBS/SAS would do an attack, either from the submarine landing in
canoes or by parachute, then swim/paddle out to sea for the
rendezvous, with the boat. Once in the rendezvous vicinity, they
would stretch a line across the water with the group equally
divided out each end and waited. The submarine would spot the
two groups, raise the attack periscope and snag the line between
them whilst still at periscope depth to tow them out to sea to a
safe area when the submarine would surface and the canoes and
swimmers be recovered in the usual way”. (I have seen Walrus
leaving Portland with SAS embarked and rope lines rigged fore
and aft to the fin top to practise this exercise and also
Olympus fitted with a special internal chamber secured to her
escape hatch to launch SBS swimmers. Other ‘O’s have been seen
to launch swimmers from the conning tower whilst submerged in
Portland Harbour -Author).
HMS Alcide – M.D. (civilian photographer)
“Albert Draper & Son Ltd, shipbreakers of Hull, will not forget
Alcide in a hurry. The company rather had their fingers burned
when they acquired her in 1974 for scrap from the Royal Navy.
They assumed, not unnaturally, that they were buying a
relatively complete vessel, minus one or two bits of secret or
vital equipment and they were expecting a handsome return on
their investment, this being their first warship. The size of
the boat dictated that the initial stages of the demolition were
carried out afloat in Albert Dock until she was sufficiently
light to be towed to Victoria Dock, to be hauled out of the
water up the slips. It was only then that her secret was
revealed – no propellers! These two high valued manganese
propellers were to have been the star attraction to Drapers and
clearly had been removed by the Navy for use as spares for her
sisters or indeed for scrap value. Needless to say, Drapers
never had another warship to break
HMS Andrew – Author
Andrew was the last ‘A’ boat in Royal Navy service,
decommissioning in December 1947. She lay at Devonport until
1977 whilst strenuous, though unsuccessful, efforts were made to
purchase her for preservation. Fortunately, Alliance
decommissioned and replacing Tabard as static display at HMS
Dolphin in 1973, was towed to Vospers at Southampton in 1979 to
have her keel strengthened and since 1981 has been displayed on
a concrete cradle at HMS Dolphin as part of the Royal Navy
Submarine Museum and in memory of those submariners who lost
their lives in submarines.
“First the Nab, then the Warmer,
Haslar Creek ’round Blockhouse Corner”.
From ‘Ships Monthly’ March 1989 Volume 24 Number 3
The Life Of An OD by POM
Greenie (VM) On Trump
When browsing the Australian Submarine Association Site I was
surprised to see in the History link a picture of the Trump
leaving Sydney Harbour for the last time in 1969 with our usual
companion the Oxley in the distance. I was a member of the
casing party that day and remember the bit of fun we had with
the other boat throwing potatoes at one another once we were
outside the Heads. Most of us were sad to leave the old place
where we had been made to feel so at home. Ashore we were always
made welcome at places like the Manly RSL and the North Sydney
Anzac club. The Mosman RSL club was our laundry run where we
often had lunch and a dinner time drink, while the lady in the
laundrette next door took charge of the dhobeying. In Platypus
the VMs of the Pommy boats had the particular advantage of the
Tot at 1130hrs down the boat, and the lunch time swill in the
Aussies’ bar at 1230 - 1300hrs, where the beer was sometimes
bought by the rum fanny full, to save the bother of middies and
schooners etc.
Conditions on board Trump were a bit basic, the open plan heads
in the stoker’s mess behind the emergency after planes handle
was a typical example. In an after planes emergency you sat on
the heads and wound like fury, in an attempt to follow Evershed.
One time in Eden I bought a guest down the boat to the after
ends to find a fellow member asleep on the pan for all to see,
I'm sure she'll always remember the vision, it didn't advance my
cause either. It was probably the last boat with heads that blew
straight to sea, and I, as many before me, experienced the
horror of blowing the heads with the valve combination wrong,
but learning from the mistake.
The diesels, 6 cylinder Vickers were quite resilient. On one
snort transit from NZ to Sydney the tiffies ran the port donk
with a slung piston. The whole boat whipped about, in the engine
room you couldn't keep a book steady enough to read the same
anywhere from the fore ends to the after ends. In the days
before leaving to come home to UK, persons unknown tried to
sabotage the engines by putting nuts through the injector holes.
Fortunately the bump clearance was such that no sustainable
damage was caused, though it meant a lot of extra work for the
donk shop staff in removing the foreign objects and testing the
engines.
Our electrical department had a hectic time doing equalisers,
torqueing, topping up, taking all-round readings, replacing sick
cells; the electrical machinery was generally in good condition.
Access to the batteries was poor, three and four batteries being
under the deck plates of the Wardroom and Tiffies Mess and one
and two batteries having their own compartments under the
seaman’s and senior rates messes. In these compartments you were
provided with boards to lie on for tending the battery, giving
you about 2 feet head room and no chance if there was an
explosion.
Even in these early days of the existence of Platypus the local
residents of Neutral Bay had a problem with the noise of
submarine engines, so the modern shore charging facilities were
well used. The operation of these was ahead of their time in the
implementation of a safety permit system which was mutually
signed before switching on. My own mishap occurred before we
even got to this stage when our blokes were hauling the cables
on board and I was trying to restrain the jetty cable drum. The
obvious happened and when I came too in the water my first
thoughts were to grab my hat, a rare and shared item of kit, and
worry about the permit.
Life ashore sometimes had its down times - climbing down the
fire escape ropes from Penguin accommodation block well pissed,
assembling on the lawn in the middle of the night when some
citizen had set off the fire alarm, saying the wrong thing to
karate expert Lionel of the Mossman plonk shop and getting
ejected, occasionally annoying my colleagues resulting in a sore
face.
Now I'm in booze control mode imposed by a Dumbarton Deb, had a
family who’ve flit the nest (not one to the Navy). I spend a
little time on the net and have enjoyed your site.
POLARIS AND THE SUBMARINE
by LCDR A.R.C. ROWE, DSC RN
It is easier perhaps to begin by stating some of things that
Polaris is and is not.
Polaris is a weapon, or more accurately, a weapon system; it can
be fired from land or sea and it may become part of a deterrent
effort for land forces in Europe. Polaris is capable of being
fired from on the sea and has been fired from under the sea.
Polaris is not a submarine: the submarine in this article refers
to the under-water ship propelled by nuclear power.
The importance of the Polaris submarine is gradually making its
full impact on the people of Great Britain, but its importance
in naval strategy has not been fully realized outside defence
circles.
Each Polaris submarine is designed to carry 16 missiles, with a
range now of 1,200 miles and a predicted range of 2,500 miles.
With the latter range Polaris will cover the globe. To carry
this armament, the US Navy envisages three classes of
submarines;
Type of Submarine & Tonnage
George Washington - 5,900
Ethan Allen - 6,900
Lafayette - 7,000
George Washington is now on patrol below the surface of the
Atlantic. Patrick Henry and Robert E. Lee are commissioned, and
with the building time cut to two years, they will soon follow
their sister boats to sea.
Towards the end of the 1939-45 war over 50 per cent of the
conventional enemy submarines were sunk by aircraft; the
majority by Costal Command and the remainder of that percentage
by the Fleet Air Arm. The aircrews were able to attack because
they had established contact by radar or sighting or both whilst
the submarine was recharging batteries on the surface or by
using a snorkel device. The aircraft nearly always patrolled
“probability” areas. The remainder of sinkings were achieved by
close escort ships or hunter-killer groups, the latter again
patrolling “probability” areas. No enemy submarine could achieve
success until it operated in a defended sea area, and the
probable routes to such areas were self evident. But it is not
the intention that the Polaris submarine should go anywhere near
any warship or other defended area and, as it will not surface
for weeks, or even months, it is nearly immune from air attack
unless there is a breakthrough towards solving the air/under
surface detection problem.
Anti-submarine measures have improved greatly since the last
war. Asdic ranges have increased and fast anti-submarine ships
have helped to redress the balance, whilst nuclear depth charges
have a lethal range of 2,000 feet as opposed to 35 feet of the
conventional weapons. But, Polaris submarines are reputed to
have a speed in excess of 20-25 knots, which makes the task of
the A/S surface forces very difficult even in the calmest of
seas.
Using the varying density layers of the ocean and their own high
speed, they will prove hard to kill by conventional
hunter-killer submarines with homing torpedoes themselves not
having a great margin of speed over their prey. Helicopters with
dunking sonar, in combination with hunter-killer nuclear
submarines and surface A/S forces, provide the most likely
solution – provided you know where to begin to look.
An interesting problem arises if a hunter-killer submarine finds
and tracks a Polaris submarine at a period of mounting
international tension. When shall she destroy the enemy? Before
the enemy fires her weapons? This may be the spark needed to set
off the conflagration. Even though it was an underwater spark –
water won’t put this one out. After the Polaris is fired? It is
then too late. It might be possible to shadow all known
rocket-firing submarines, but again the same dilemma is
apparent.
The navigational aids in nuclear propelled submarines are
probably the most exact and also the most complicated at sea.
From leaving harbour, dead reckoning is used but little. The
Ships Inertial Navigation System – SINS for short – is used for
the rest of the voyage. Very simply SINS is a system of three
gyros in three planes at right angles to each other which is
connected to accelerometers, in turn feeding a computer. After
various corrections allowing for ship movement, the movement of
the earth in its orbit and so on, the answer is given as a
position in space. This is then related to the position on the
earth’s surface. In addition, a periscope is used for
conventional astronavigation; a radiometric sextant measures
radio waves emitted by the sun and Decca, Loran and all other
conventional navigation aids are used when possible. As one can
imagine, this navigation must be, and is, very accurate.
Perhaps the most important aspect of the Polaris submarine is
the human one. The Commanding Officer and other officers do up
to two years’ special study – before they join their ship.
Similarly, the ratings also undergo intensive specialized
training. In spite of the long periods at sea, nearly all of it
submerged, no psychological training is required. This is not
surprising as it seems, as it is only since the advent of coal
burning ships that seafarers have come to expect frequent shore
leave. Naturally, and quite rightly, everything possible is done
to relieve the inevitable monotony and boredom of long patrols,
by excellent living conditions, cinemas, libraries and hobbies
of all kinds. In addition, two crews, Blue and Gold, man the
submarine alternately, thus getting as long a spell ashore as
they do at sea.
The Polaris submarine now presents the most devastating weapons
system yet devised by man. The armament of such ship constitutes
a greater explosive force than all the bombs dropped by all
nations of both sides fighting between 1939 and 1945, including
the two atomic bombs on Japan.
It is argued that the cost of these vessels is prohibitive
insofar as the Royal Navy is concerned. If the cost of the
Polaris submarine and its missiles has to come from the existing
Naval Vote, then it is prohibitive. But surely the present
defence vote is in four parts. These votes are Navy, Arm. Air
Force and the Deterrent, and it is the Deterrent vote which is
affected, and not the other three
The cost of USS George Washington is said to be $US100 million
and that of a single missile $US 1.3 million, but British
charges may well be below this figure. Remembering the
maintenance costs of aircraft, airfields and fixed rocket bases,
it may well be cheaper to invest in Missile submarines as our
contribution to the deterrent.
From the British magazine “The Navy” published in December 1960.
BOOKS Napoleons Book
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blurb states: The Gallipoli Campaign 1914-15 is one of the
events of the first World War that continues to seize
imaginations today, they being the naval dimensions of the
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allied submarine and related German U-Boat activity. The other
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Editorial
In a recent issues of “In Depth” see especially Volume 28 #1
January 2008, I have been trying to stress how important it is
for we men to have their prostates checked for cancer, all men
over the age of 45 are at risk and once the “glove” digit test
is done the rest of the tests (PSA) are done from your blood at
least once every year. My conversations with members and friends
all stress that the treatment of this cancer can be very
stressful, painful and tiring on the body and they are the lucky
ones who have managed to get it in remission.
If it is good enough for our women folk to regularly have their
breasts manhandled for a mammogram to detect breast cancer and
the very uncomfortable pap smear to detect cervical cancer every
three or four years, then there is no shame to have one small
test and a regular blood PSA test. So gentlemen don’t be one of
the 18,000 plus Australian men to be diagnosed with this cancer
this year, or in future years. On that note, I will stand down
and pack my soapbox away; however, I will still accept
correspondence from you on this subject.
On a separate issue and it happens every ANZAC Day I hear many
waries of do and daring, all great stories, however at the end
of the day I am in my cups and cannot remember them and I stress
that they should be put down on paper. It is one thing for me to
print stories of the ‘A’ and other boats as I know that our
members served in them and probably brought back some good
memories prior to their time in Oberons. But guys, what about
our own yarns about our own boats and crewmembers! There have
been a few members over the years who have been supportive and
have sent me stories, now I would like the ones you were telling
at your reunions. You don’t have to be Shakespeare when writing
them down we will get the gist and the chuckle you desire.
This is called oral history, and it is not being recorded and it
could be lost to our future submariners, your reminisces can be
sent to me by any of the addresses in the Masthead of this
newsletter
To all readers of “In Depth” all the very best to you and yours.
Yours sincerely,
Peter R Smith
Peter Smith,
Hon Nat Secretary
29 April 2008
SAA Welfare Foundation
Statement of Income & Expenditure for the year ended 31st. March
2008
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Expenditure
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31st
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$ 5936.91
Plus
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Total $48509.54
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